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[(GM)Sparrow]

Dear Soldiers,

 

Season I has ended and what a Season it was ! ! It all started with the idea of two Leagues being run simultaneously and merged into a single Premiere League. I believe we all can agree that there is a lot to improve for a possible and hopefully Season II.

 

In the beginning there was a lot of frustration and chaos, but with the ongoing Season, things went clearer over time and everyone found out what they were up to and what was expected of every clan leader on a weekly matter. The biggest question of them all is: Is there enough interested for a Season II to happen and if so - what needs to change.

 

Please try to stay constructive and reasonable. The main goal is to make things happen and not to rage and rant against each other or against other clans. Hopefully we can accomplish a second Season together and I am eager to hear your positive and negative critics alike.

 

Best Regards

 

[GM]Sparrow

[LImcAuJsomeD]

I have to say i didn't believe much in this Season idea, but it actually started out really well, over 10 clans signed in (im not being sarcastic here, it was actually pretty good), most matches were actually happening, the prizes were boofed and the organisation itself was actually pretty decent.

The 2 matches per week was not a bad option either. It was neither too few games (1 match a week is just boring and demotivating), and neither too many to the point of actually taking too much time or affect rl stuff (work / studies etc)

With 6 teams left everybody wins, and that simply s*cks for both the staff team and for us, cuz the competition itself just drops exponentially, and i dont think staff will invest as much on future events or if a second season does happen.


To finish, i believe @Sparrow stands correct on this one, this community absolutely failed to come through with this and other recent events.

 

If it is to happen, even though HEK might not participate (we have to give others a chance right?), i suggest the following:

-Allow substitution during Season matches. I can't believe people got away with 8-0's due to this stpid rule not being applied.

-There should be some way to revive like inactive clans, like the russians changed once i think. If a clan has maybe 4 or 5 members that played in an inactive clan (Gurkhas to Getdownn for example), and with the proper asking/proof, they should be able to keep running the league.

-Many argued about people playing for other clans, tho i dont really see the issue here. But if there's some restriction to be done, may be only allow a player to play for 2 clans only.

-Maybe increase the number of games to 3, so the Season may take less time to finish, and since many are at holidays by now there should be extra time to play the Season.

-Prizes not being just Mcash based. Maybe reward like less Mcash, along with something else (lottos, ammo, silver/golden mac etc).

-To finish, one thing i didn't quite like was that we were confined to play one single map against another team, which i found unpleasant asf (4-towers tho). Maybe in the Match Schedule suggest 2 maps, and the team playing Home picks the map.


edit: the quote was deformatted/weird

Edited by LImcAuJsomeD, 22 June 2017 - 10:59 AM.

[DeezNuts]

- every clan got his homemap, which will be started on blue and on yellow side. so 2 games vs each clan on matchday.

- full gold or only ammo ( i know the asians want to earn money with cups but worth a try. more competitive)

- since most of players can't stay in a clan for more than 1 month  or most of clans don't stay active for more than 1 month we should try to let this league last for only 1 month.

- as salvidos said, we should allow 1 sub for each game.

- i know we got only a few players here but playing versus the same people in many different clans is kind of annoying and each player should only be allowed to play in 2 clans. but even if we set this rule people will     use other accounts and play in more clans. we all know this community dont care much about rules.

- staff should observe matches. not only by request. i know you will tell me "how could you know if the staff observe the match or not" but come on. be honest to yourself. we know the staff. i want to see that they care   about ther league and the only staffmember i saw putting all his energy in was sparrow.

- most of the players here don't care much about the prices. so put what you want since most of us just want to play for the competition and not for the few cents you will give us.

 

if there is a Season 2 ReEn will be there again.

[xBriLLianT-]

Well.. Normally im not on the spot to even closely help this community any longer but since i also participated i want to talk here as anyone else does.

 

The Season Idea was nice at the beginning. But many things should change by the next one. First of all it should be prophited that 2nd Accounts from other Clans are allowed to participate in any Clan. Everyone should use his Mainaccount and his Mainclan. The whole Season 1 was based on HEK Academy and that´s why our Clan also decided to not play any longer. Im not mocking HEK on this now but it was quite boring to play like that. 

 

I was also tired of communicating with other Clans, example the russians or ChaosBrothers because they just dont understand nothing and told us 5 minutes before they were able to play that it´s playtime now. The STAFF should decide playtimes each weekend, not the players or Clanleaders. It was horrible in 80% of our few Seasongames to find out a date to finally conclude the game. Also this was one of the Mainreasons why we just didnt want to play any longer.

 

Each Seasongame should be observed by at least 2 STAFFMEMBERS because it was clear that some guys obv. hacked during the Season. Others didnt hack during the Season but hacked in normal CW´s. Example: EST and squalomen. The game was observed and they lost the Seasonmatch, 20 minutes later we lost 8-0 in a regular CW. Sounds interesting. Therefore the Seasongames should be observed in addition to more Observerpresence in Charles & regular Clanwars. This is a way to punish hackers instead of using Observeaccounts to make Screenshots of Nonesense Nicknames. 

 

Every Staffmember should care about the Season and not only Sparrow. If it´s not possible to manage this in the future a 2nd Season makes no sense.

 

The Season should take place over max. 3 Weeks. The most Clans just deleted their presence or wasnt even active.

 

Subsitution should be allowed during matches.

 

Make higher rewards. In competition to what Players wasted on mCash for this Season the rewards are just a joke. Prices over 300.000 mCash should be real if you compare that only for a 30 days equipment you already need 200€ or even more. 

[(GM)Sparrow]

Well.. Normally im not on the spot to even closely help this community any longer but since i also participated i want to talk here as anyone else does.

 

You're welcome to share your feedback as everyone else does.

 

The Season Idea was nice at the beginning. But many things should change by the next one. First of all it should be prophited that 2nd Accounts from other Clans are allowed to participate in any Clan. Everyone should use his Mainaccount and his Mainclan. The whole Season 1 was based on HEK Academy and that´s why our Clan also decided to not play any longer. Im not mocking HEK on this now but it was quite boring to play like that. 

 

I received that feedback a lot, even during the Season. So this will definitely be a change being put into consideration.

 

I was also tired of communicating with other Clans, example the russians or ChaosBrothers because they just dont understand nothing and told us 5 minutes before they were able to play that it´s playtime now. The STAFF should decide playtimes each weekend, not the players or Clanleaders. It was horrible in 80% of our few Seasongames to find out a date to finally conclude the game. Also this was one of the Mainreasons why we just didnt want to play any longer.

 

Rather than ripping the remaining parts of the feedback apart, I am trying to go by examples. Let's start with the playtimes. My question here is: How would you make your next move here ? Let's say we print the rule that matches have to be played every Friday at 09.00pm CET, every Saturday at 05.00pm CET and every Sunday at 08.00pm CET. Why three consecutive days ? Because you also want the Season to last only three weeks.

 

So by a total of 14 Clans participating, 26 Match-Days need to be played (which I already turned into 13 Match-Days). You want to let the Season last only three weeks. This would mean 9 Match-Days per weekend. 3 Matches per Day. So we have to revalue playing times: Every match has to be played against different clans who all have to refocus and regather themselves including possible breaks between matches. So new match times would look like that:

 

Friday: Match 1: 08.00pm - 09.00pm

            Match 2: 09.30pm - 10.30pm

            Match 3: 11.00pm - 11.59pm

 

Saturday: Match 1: 08.00pm - 09.00pm

                Match 2: 09.30pm - 10.30pm

                Match 3: 11.00pm - 11.59pm

 

Sunday: Match 1: 08.00pm - 09.00pm

              Match 2: 09.30pm - 10.30pm

              Match 3: 11.00pm - 11.59pm

 

14 Clans is already a low clan amount in my opinion. We want to improve the rules so that more clans will join, even newly created clans for the Season. More Clans would mean even up to four matches per day. We can also think about the opposite way. 10 Clans will join the Season. Still 2.5 Matches per day.

 

Before even thinking about the burden of having to play each weekend for four hours despite working times and RL-issues, let's head on to your next requirement and suggestion:

 

Each Seasongame should be observed by at least 2 STAFFMEMBERS because it was clear that some guys obv. hacked during the Season. 

 

A three week Season in our example would mean 21 matches per day of which 7 matches are taking place at the same time and that for three consecutive days. But let's try to solve the first 7 matches taking place at the same time from 08.00pm - 09.00pm. Two Observers per Match are requested. That already makes a total of 14 Staff members required. Those 14 Staff members also have to invest a minimum of 4 hours every single weekend-day without being able to take a break or to do RL things because they can't substitute themselves. To be able to do that, we'd need a total amount of at least 28 staff members.

 

Even with 28 staff members, I WILL DEFINITIVELY NOT invest a total of over 8 hours on two of those days during my only spare-time of the week, even if it's only for three consecutive weeks. I believe I speak for the rest of the staff who won't be that insane either.

 

Every Staffmember should care about the Season and not only Sparrow. If it´s not possible to manage this in the future a 2nd Season makes no sense.

 

The Season should take place over max. 3 Weeks. The most Clans just deleted their presence or wasnt even active.

 

To sum things up, I only wanted to show you the following: As highly appreciated as your feedback is, please try to use that thing between your ears called brain before suggesting improvements like that. I really want to improve the play-experience and the total Season-Experience for all of you guys. But what you are suggesting is not even close to being possible.  

Edited by (GM)Sparrow, 24 June 2017 - 09:04 AM.

[xBriLLianT-]

 

You're welcome to share your feedback as everyone else does.

 

 

I received that feedback a lot, even during the Season. So this will definitely be a change being put into consideration.

 

 

Rather than ripping the remaining parts of the feedback apart, I am trying to go by examples. Let's start with the playtimes. My question here is: How would you make your next move here ? Let's say we print the rule that matches have to be played every Friday at 09.00pm CET, every Saturday at 05.00pm CET and every Sunday at 08.00pm CET. Why three consecutive days ? Because you also want the Season to last only three weeks.

 

So by a total of 14 Clans participating, 26 Match-Days need to be played (which I already turned into 13 Match-Days). You want to let the Season last only three weeks. This would mean 9 Match-Days per weekend. 3 Matches per Day. So we have to revalue playing times: Every match has to be played against different clans who all have to refocus and regather themselves including possible breaks between matches. So new match times would look like that:

 

Friday: Match 1: 08.00pm - 09.00pm

            Match 2: 09.30pm - 10.30pm

            Match 3: 11.00pm - 11.59pm

 

Saturday: Match 1: 08.00pm - 09.00pm

                Match 2: 09.30pm - 10.30pm

                Match 3: 11.00pm - 11.59pm

 

Sunday: Match 1: 08.00pm - 09.00pm

              Match 2: 09.30pm - 10.30pm

              Match 3: 11.00pm - 11.59pm

 

14 Clans is already a low clan amount in my opinion. We want to improve the rules so that more clans will join, even newly created clans for the Season. More Clans would mean even up to four matches per day. We can also think about the opposite way. 10 Clans will join the Season. Still 2.5 Matches per day.

 

Before even thinking about the burden of having to play each weekend for four hours despite working times and RL-issues, let's head on to your next requirement and suggestion:

 

 

A three week Season in our example would mean 21 matches per day of which 7 matches are taking place at the same time and that for three consecutive days. But let's try to solve the first 7 matches taking place at the same time from 08.00pm - 09.00pm. Two Observers per Match are requested. That already makes a total of 14 Staff members required. Those 14 Staff members also have to invest a minimum of 4 hours every single weekend-day without being able to take a break or to do RL things because they can't substitute themselves. To be able to do that, we'd need a total amount of at least 28 staff members.

 

Even with 28 staff members, I WILL DEFINITIVELY NOT invest a total of over 8 hours on two of those days during my only spare-time of the week, even if it's only for three consecutive weeks. I believe I speak for the rest of the staff who won't be that insane either.

 

 

To sum things up, I only wanted to show you the following: As highly appreciated as your feedback is, please try to use that thing between your ears called brain before suggesting improvements like that. I really want to improve the play-experience and the total Season-Experience for all of you guys. But what you are suggesting is not even close to being possible.  

 

You do not need 28 Staffmembers if each Weekend 4 matches take place. The Clans should play 1 by 1. That means: It´s like a cup in the Observer Site at least. 4 matches are played, 1 match takes a hour -> max. 4 hours over 3 weeks for the observe.

 

Example: UNB vs XYZ: 8:00PM - 9:00 PM = 2 Observers

GetDownn vs QRS: 9:05 - 10:05 PM = 2 Obervers

... and so on.

 

14 Clans might participate. Things will end up the same again. There will be only 6 remaning Clans since the others do not understand the meaning of a "Season" which goes over few weeks. Example the russians. The only reason why they didn´t conclude the Season was because they thought the Season only lasts for the weekend and not over some months. However... You know that we can´t / don´t want to participate now ( guess you know what i mean. ) I just hope for the rest of this guys here that the 2nd round will be done with some improvements.

 

 

PS: Your last sentence really made me laugh. It was not ranting, just saying that managing a Season with more Staffmembers could help to get things working even better.

[LImcAuJsomeD]

-Regarding Match Scheduling, and to increase the number of macthes per season "day", maybe extend the time gap to Wednesday - Sunday. This way more games can be scheduled and i believe the Season would be more enjoyable like this, since many players have more spare time atm, and the Season wouldn't take as long to finish.

-To ease all sorts of communications, i recommend for the ∞ time for OP7 EU to host a OP7 TS server. This would ease support, match scheduling, create a more friendly environment between the community and so on.

-A Season match should be observed by a Staff member if a certain clan asks (kindly) to, and if there is time convenience of all parties involved.


 

[-(FR)-LION-(FR)-]

-Regarding Match Scheduling, and to increase the number of macthes per season "day", maybe extend the time gap to Wednesday - Sunday. This way more games can be scheduled and i believe the Season would be more enjoyable like this, since many players have more spare time atm, and the Season wouldn't take as long to finish.

-To ease all sorts of communications, i recommend for the ∞ time for OP7 EU to host a OP7 TS server. This would ease support, match scheduling, create a more friendly environment between the community and so on.

-A Season match should be observed by a Staff member if a certain clan asks (kindly) to, and if there is time convenience of all parties involved.


 

i agree, a TS server would be easier to ask other clans to play etc or even to contact a staff members like in the old time ,and  it's not expensive... 

 

Staff members should be online during the match yep